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Bans, Lawsuits and Other Barriers
 
We're the little sex book that could...
Your order Supports Sexual Dialogue Thanks for being your sexy you!

naked at door
Jason Laub © 2002


We're banned!
ARE WE TOO SEXY
for PayPal?
What do you think?
Tell PayPal cc: Crystal and III
AOL Users please cc:
sexualtriads@aol.com

Support freedom of sexual expression at home,
the Internet and in commerce.

Electronic Frontier Foundation
Sex Sells... doesn't it?
So, who would have thought that a sexy little book
like ours could run into so many road blocks???
 
Why US printers refused sex --- so, we printed Canadian.
Employee community standards and fear of conservative clients
 
How Kinkos handled an employee's queasy trepidation
over a faxed photo (and handled it well in the end)
 
Why PayPal/Ebay banned us. PayPal not accepted! well-researched
  anti-PayPal site
But a growing number of other ecommerce are doing the same to
sexually themed products. PayPal just bought the only gateway we
found to help us... what will happen when our contract runs out?
 
Why did one of our own contributors sue us?
And will our beloved radio shows talk sex any more?
Since we last were on radio in 2003 many of them are either
owned by Disney or got too many FCC warnings. Stay tuned….
 
National Coalition for Sexual Freedom National Coalition for Sexual Freedom

Read about PayPal's new Mature Audience Policy
which basically bans all merchandise that contains post 1980s
frontal nudes. ( read how edible penises are one exception,
incase you want to sell any on PayPal )

 




Are credit card companies the driving force?
PayPal is arrogant in their customer service, but they delivered one of the delivered one of the least expensive opportunities for small companies to accept credit cards. Read about
Visa USA's campaign -- and U.S. government? - against adult content merchandise and how third party credit processors are having to lump most sexual-based products with high credit risk porn -- either not able to service the merchants or charging extremely high fees (15% as opposed to industry standard 2.3%). Is it just Visa?
Other PayPal/Ebay concerns:
PayPal's legal problems allegating fraud:
PC World Article
 
 
Does PayPal's Bad Ethics Deserve its
2003 Webby Award?
 
Other companies having PayPal freedoms issues:
We're with an interesting range of companies to say the least -
a far right anti abortion organization
An alternative political ezine that wondered why PayPal
held their funds and not those of porn sites (this was 2
months prior to the porn sites being abandoned by PayPal)
 
III's Ban by PayPal and other Problems Along our Sexual Publishing Path
 

On Labor Day 2003, in the midst of us getting our 1000 books and trying to raise the final $1500 payment for the printer's shipment. PayPal sent us an email that said they have placed " limited access" on our account due to our sexual content.

That is no one could send money to us because we have Sensual, Nude Photography "frontal nudity" and "images that are designed to sexually arouse the viewer" not only on our site, but that we sell a product that has these sexual attributes, as well.

In May 2003, PayPal did send general notices that they were discontinuing services for Adult sites. When I had contacted their offices back then, they told me it was just a general notice sent to all PayPal customers who wanted notices, and that our book and site should be fine, though they refused to send a confirmation in writing.

 
WHY IS PAYPAL HOLDING CUSTOMER'S MONEY?

So, confronted with PayPal's abrupt Labor Day decision, I very quickly checked our account, and found that there was a 180 day hold (that's 6 months, everyone) on any funds left in my PayPal accounts. There is no explanation as to why they chose to hold this money. Thankfully that was only $54, but PayPal wouldn't let me even refund the money back to the customer through those funds, though PayPal did take their % and earned bank interest on the funds held. (PayPal sent us another note that the 180 day hold was in error and they are trying to remove the hold on existing funds in the account, but in a subsequent email, they told me that my agreement with them did give them the rights to hold my funds for 180 days at their discretion.) Another PayPal email later that week actually told me I am responsible for sending the product to the customer, even though they kept my funds. I guess we are supposed to hope PayPal will release the money to us for the customer's purchase in 6 months. (I ended up asking the customer to please contact their credit card and cancel the transaction to get her money back, at least.)

How can we be in PayPal's good graces again? Simple, according to PayPal, just don't have a book about sex with nude frontal pictures.
They write:
"To appeal the limited access PayPal will need to be removed from your site in it entirety and respond to paypal-compliance@paypal.com stating you understand and agree to the Acceptable Use policy and will no longer accept funds for adult content via PayPal from this point forward." (grammatical errors from the PayPal email of 9/2/03)

WHY are Nudes BANNED ON PAYPAL (While Edible Genitals are PayPal's Version of Kosher)?
Apparently, it started out with financial concerns. Adult "porn" sites are said to have extremely high fraudulent use of credit cards and high charge backs. People saying they never ordered to download that racy film etc. Are Credit Card Companies the Driving Force? So as a matter of finances and to be fair to their "diverse group of customers," PayPal decided to enforce a Mature Audience Policy that doesn't differentiate a downloaded porn, that someone might later say they never ordered from a sexy but serious book like ours. Interestingly, according to their policy sheet, books with sexual text and no photos are OK with PayPal, so long as they aren't considered obscene (by whom? PayPal, of course). And "food items in the shape of genitalia"are open for sale on PayPal with their blessings, too. (Do you think PayPal has a thing for oral?) Note: PayPal current policy updated seems to have edited out those yummy, chocolate-covered penises allowed in their 2003 policy sheet.

 
WHY IS a MORALS SHEET ATTACHED to PAYPAL'S FINANCIAL CONCERNS
If credit card companies and PayPal can restrict freedoms of speech by simply not allowing sexual-content businesses to sell their products through their services, is this just the beginning of conservative Corporate America's private extension of the Patriot Act? What other freedoms and where else will our freedoms be restricted? Our printing for our book is not from a US printer, not only because of better pricing and quality from the company we chose, but many US printers don't accept nude photography because it might offend their workers or their established clients. Web hosting companies and many other Internet services, like forum platform providers, exclude sites with nudity, as well. Citing these same "community/work place standards", we even had a problem with our local Kinkos. It was quickly resolved by Kinko headquarters within 24 hours of our complaint, but with a compromise---- I needed to call ahead to ensure there would be at least one employee, who wasn't offended by our photos or stories, to be available when I arrived at the store. Thankfully, there were only 2 employees who were so uncomfortable with the materials they wouldn't assist with them.---Now, remember, our photos are provocative, but they're not Hustler! (Note:Adding to the PayPal moralism complexities, there may be an International cross- cultural standards issue at PayPal, as many of their Internet customer service reps are said to be out-sourced in India -- where even an onscreen kiss is considered risqué)
 
But here in America, ours is a society that is routinely filled with T__ & A__, where any toddler or teen can see suggestive sexual behaviors on TV and in commercials, without adequate explanation. In comparison then, what do corporate restrictions, on materials that actually promote honest sexual dialogue, say about our double-edged values ? ( Yes, III is intentionally seductive, too, but gee, isn't that what the very natural practice of sex is all about?----feeling sexy?)
 
CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS, ANYONE?

PayPal is being sued by several law firms for their money holding policies and overall unfair consumer practices, including allegations of consumer fraud. And E-Bay seems to be acting against personal freedoms in its open access policy to personal records. We first stumbled on a problem in August ‘03, when a customer, asked for a refund through their credit card company because our books were still delayed from the printer, and PayPal, without questioning the reason for the request held our funds, until we reimbursed him In this case, it was a fair transaction, but had there been a dispute, PayPal has shown with other companies, that they would hold all funds, without giving the merchant a chance to dispute first.

The PayPal class action case was settled in late 2004 with apparently PayPal paying a small sum but not having to change their policies.My account is still banned from activity in 2005—I discovered that when I tried to PAY for a non sex-based event that had required payment through PayPal. PayPal has deemed me so dangerous they don’t even want my money, now!

Our current ecommerce situation is through Card Services International. They were one of the few that didn’t charge a premium for adult content. However their Gateway (the platform that connects the secure connection for credit card information) couldn’t be their usual company, because that company refused sexual content. Our only other affordable alternative was Verisign, which amazingly has provided the best tech service anyone could ask for. But the irony of all corporate buy-outs—Verisign was purchased by PalPal in November 2005. I’ve been told our one-year contract is safe --for now…..

Only through publicity, continued law suits, and public outcry will PayPal and other similar companies change their totalitarian unsex-loving ways.

In the meantime, thanks for your support of III!

Please pass this page and site on to anyone you know concerned about sexual freedoms or corporate checks and balances on their power.

 

III's Copyright Lawsuit, settled 12/06/05
One of our own contributors sued us for copyright use -- the book was on hold for two to four years depending on how you count it.

The second of our eighth photographs, filed a formal complaint for copyright infringement on January 21, 2005. The court ordered settlement was formally signed December 6, 2005. I still have no idea what his/her reasons for filing were. I have my guesses…and invite him/her to explain any time.

But after a lost-count of close to a dozen attorneys - most of them Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts - representing us on both sides for over four years, he/she was granted less money from me than what he would have gotten had he allowed our project to continue. His/Her victory is that I am now allowed to sell only the remaining copies … no more permitted to be made that contain the images from the shoot he/she photographed.

Meanwhile, over 30 people who have worked on the book have had to wait 4 years for their contractual pay. The other 7 photographers may never get the full possibility of their pay because parts of it were % based on a 4000 copy edition profit model. And the six models, who choreographed their moves with me, and were hired and paid by me for the shoot that he/she so readily agreed to do, might now have their nude bodies and faces splattered anywhere that he/she chooses-indefinitely. While those same images are never allowed to be printed for the originally intended 4000 copy edition of our book-the full project that the models posed for.
Interesting irony, don't you think ?
International Call for 36 new images

 

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